I don’t know if CAMM-ERs can be quad-packed in Mk41 cells, but if they can, then all the better. I would be happy with our CVs having 4 Phalanx (why its 3 on a ship that size with 4 corners i don’t know) and say 16 Sea Ceptors. After all, even the USN and USMC park Avenger systems and suchlike on the decks of their vessels in some situations. Bearing in mind that the 1 Ticonderoga and 3ish Burkes in a USN CBG have to split their time between ASW and AAD, and the 2 No. There was a version that wasn’t bought by any country in late 80’s that included the possibility of start firing APFSDS when the enemy missile entered the last 1-1,5km. The argument that the Type 45s will protect them fails to consider the Carriers escorts being sunk, the Type 45 has serious deficiencies in ASuW and ASW that can and will be exploited. Su-35s can fire Oniks beyond the range of Aster 30. This could potentially make the difference in wartime between a ship surviving and getting sunk: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29335/this-bolt-on-launcher-can-give-nearly-any-ship-the-same-weaponry-as-u-s-navy-destroyer. (which can be used by both subs and surface ships): https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Scutter.pdf Or anti-torpedo torpedoes like SeaSpider, MU90 Hard Kill or SSTD CAT? Ships pitch and roll and even yaw. LRASM would be the best option (well until Perseus is available), but it’s ridiculously expensive. And then we’d magically find the money to upgrade the ships like we magically found the money to bail out the banks. Why do we give foreign aid to Pakistan, India and China? They ended up with the latter and not the former. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-US7xdIX4 “Cold” launch systems were designed to reduce the minimum engagement range and reduce the requirements of the launch system with regards to exhaust management etc. Well the Burkes also have VL-ASROC, SM-3 and SM-6, plus those Mk41 cells mean that the Burkes could fit VL-launched anti-ship missiles if they wanted. “In addition, we have at least one weapon that should be coming out of FC/ASW that will be a Sylver fit” Do you have a source saying that Perseus will fit in Sylver cells? The site is run on a voluntary basis. The phalanx presented a single, unified front to its opponents, a rectangle of interlocking (almost seamless) shields studded with spears. The highest chance of drop is from Flesh Eater level 24 - 25. Remember the reason for the split was the RN wanted a more capable system to ‘control’ a large area. That’s the equivalent of stating that the carriers are deficient in ASW. It would be a drop in the ocean compared to £2 trillion. A Ticonderoga has even more cells: 122 Mk41 cells. It’s true ASW helicopters can’t be in the air 24/7 if the weather conditions are bad, the helicopter is undergoing repairs/maintenance or crew members are sick, so that’s why VL anti-sub missiles are important. This would then allow the ship to see continuously around the ship without any rotating dead zones. “Sea Viper is better than the AAW systems in those ships by a fair margin, but T45 isn’t as complete a package.”. Honestly, I think that by the time any of this is ready to be put into place, laser-based systems will be starting to take over. Who removes cats & traps from a carrier? Aster 15 is slightly faster and has slightly more range than CAMM, but given the choice between X Aster 15s and 4X CAMMs, my choice would be CAMM every time. – Develop anti-ship missiles that F-35Bs can carry internally so that they can maintain their stealthy profile. Well firstly any pilot who flies in range of any ship-based defences needs his head examining and secondly why do you say that? Regardless of the cost, I think we should buy say half a dozen LRASMs to take out carriers. It could just be that this information hasn’t been added to the Wikipedia page for either carrier. It is a bit more complicated than just dropping in some Sky Sabre systems (from what I’ve read they sound great, by the way- although getting the ER missile would nice), but I don’t disagree that it could be a good idea if one of our carriers sail into particularly contested waters. The purpose of the amphibious ships of the Bay and Albion class is get marines/army ashore or to recover them. – Fit Type 23s and Type 26s with sub-hunting surface drones like Arcims and Seagull, ideally fitted with torpedo launchers and data-linked to the ASW Merlins and the ships that launched them. IR homing on a missile doing Mach 5+ is also an issue . Yes, the CTAS 40 does have a relatively short range, but I have the impression that naval armament of the same calibre generally has a longer range- maybe I’m wrong. Yet again I’d like tests to be carried out to establish what they can and can’t take out speed-wise. The system is also theoretically capable of tracking and engaging ’traditional’ ordnance such as laser-guided bombs or medium calibre shells but these are physically more robust targets and harder to penetrate and destroy, especially as modern insensitive munitions are not exploded easily. Well as I said, stringent realistic tests would be required to establish if these anti-torpedo torpedoes work as advertised. In such a scenario it would make sense for the Phalanx to (a) be longer ranged and (b) have access to as much ammo as possible. Couldn’t agree more. It’s far more likely to hit its target than AIM-120 and since an F-35B can only carry a small amount of air-to-air missiles internally (4 max), it needs to carry the best missiles available. PFF has a range of 16km and the OTO Melara can also fire DART ammo to take out anti-ship missiles at 8km. HVPs fired from main guns might be able to take out anti-ship missiles at range, but I’d like tests to be done to establish if this is actually the case. If standard sky sabre type launchers are used they will cover each side of the vessels mitigating any possible problems a VLS launch could have with air traffic as many others have reasoned against missiles on carriers. The other advantage is that Aster/Viper be an active RF guided missile also has a secondary passive function, where it can home on a transmitter, so long as it’s within in band range. I don’t know what the carriers have in the way of ECM and decoys. I’d go with the second option every time when it comes to frigates and destroyers (and to the carriers too if we had more than just 2 of them). They may look at the Seamaster SM400 system replacing the EMPAR. (A mount a képen látható) T45 and 2 No. It’s not always been this way, it’s just a money-saving exercise, nothing to do with sound tactics. 2.1m members in the wow community. Design it in tandem with the army to put on some armoured vehicles for the strike brigades (which is a capability sorely needed) and you have the numbers required to get good economies of scale and access to two budget streams for development. This would mean the guns would have access to more ammo which would be vital in the event of a saturation attack (of even subsonic anti-ship missiles). Like I say, tests would need to be carried out to establish what HVPs are and aren’t capable of. That’s the overall weakness of scoring: plus points can be comprehended; but, without a reply, negatives are – what exactly? The CdG has 32 Aster 15s so that’s clearly better than the woeful protection on the QE and PoW. i'm guessing the mounts only count towards mount achievements if you belong to the appropriate covenant.which means that Necrolord would be the best for achievement hunters. “I don’t disagree that having a decent defence suite is important”. The stabilised Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) camera is mounted on the left side of the radome also allows the operator to visually identify targets in complex environments. I only suggested putting Sea Ceptor on the carriers for point defence, not a second missile-based system. The US Project on Government Oversight (POGO) calculated the sortie rate of all 3 F-35 variants based on the 2017 DOT&E report and it came to a pitiful third of a sortie a day, or one sortie every three days, compared to about 1 sortie a day for legacy fighters. Block 1A (1996) introduced a new computer system to counter high diving and hard manoeuvring missiles and switched from hydraulic to pneumatic gun drive which could spin up faster. Harriers are used alongside F-35Bs on the Wasp-class and America-class ships. The Andrea Doria Class (Type 45s Italian Cousin) with 3x 76mm Strales is a mean mother 😁 also with 48 Aster Missiles…all she needs is an AESA Radar (which is in her refit future) and gl trying to kill her with Aircraft, Missiles or Ship to ship gunnery (3x 120Rpm pew pew dakka dakka). Unless otherwise credited, images used under, Phalanx is, however, an affordable and relatively simple way to add a significant layer of protection against many threats.”. Plus as I said, I think it would make sense to look into the feasibility of using airship drones for ASW (long endurance with solar panels and mini wind turbines) as well as sub-hunting surface drones like Arcims and Seagull (which could be carried by Type 26s). What they do carry that the T45 doesn’t are short range torpedo tubes, but my understanding is that there is a big question regarding their utility against subs launching heavyweight torpedoes from outside the range of the smaller torps. Also the Iver Huitfeldts were constructed in blocks in Estonia and Lithuania and assembled in Denmark. These anti-air missiles would need to work like Meteor so that they can accelerate in their terminal phase so they’d be highly likely to hit their targets. It would also make sense for us to build more Astutes since they provide a very good layer of defence against enemy subs and ships (and fit them with Scutter). Seeing as only around 3 may be available, would we really have it undertaking this task in such a high risk environment? 25 AHEAD rounds will throw out 3,800 tungsten projectiles, which will ruin a missile’s day. Is this an issue if SeaRAM is targetting sea-skimming missiles? 24 CAMMs with a range of 25km would be better than SeaRAM. I know that Gunbuster (I think it was him) mentioned that T45s use a data link to share targeting data and suchlike, but it doesn’t sound like quite the same level of capability. Main naval guns firing HVPs at Mach 3 and at a range of over 80km (50 miles) (from what I’ve read) would provide another very useful layer of defence against anti-ship missiles. I’m just looking at the drawbacks of having missiel systems on a carrier, compared to their effectiveness and the carrier’s primary purpose. UK MoD is now a combined arms force nothing more nothing less. The scepter holders are those who have opened the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj. The CAMM/sea ceptor are soft launch with little debris. I think they already exist or am I mistaken? Since patch 4.0.1 most mounts no longer have intrinsic values for speed; their speed is dependent only on the player's riding skill. That’s a lot of additional offensive and defensive capability. The addition of sea sparrow or rolling airframe or Sea Ceptor is essential to keep the new and very impressive British carriers safe. How we could make the best of what I consider a bad job: – Buy Ospreys for AEW as they’d have superior speed, range and altitude compared to Merlin Crowsnest (or maybe use a mix of the two to maximize coverage & availability of AEW aircraft) – Use Ospreys to refuel the F-35s (no cats & traps means we won’t be able to buy MQ-25 refuelling drones when they’re ready) – Buy some AV-8B Harriers from the US (assuming they’re willing to sell us some) to provide a measure of redundancy and so we don’t have all our eggs in one basket with the F-35B. – CAMM is better than nothing, although CAMM-ER would be far preferable. Well they certainly lack range and so they’re a last-ditch defensive measure. And if the Falklands told us anything (not that we needed telling since it’s common sense) it’s that the more defences a ship has and the better the defences are, the harder it is to sink. Phalanx has remained in RN service ever since 1982. One part of the upgrade is the ship’s radar. ... they will likely add questlines to get the larion / phalanx as a mount, probably another "raise your mount" questline ... (something like 150 anima for +10). “I know talking about budgets is annoying but everything comes down to them one way or another.”. This site has no official endorsement by the Royal Navy or MoD. 36 Asters and 48 CAMMs could fit in 48 Sylver cells. 319 votes, 97 comments. We don’t pay that debt off, we just manage it and a few billion more wouldn’t make much difference one way or another. But the T45s will be protecting the carrier and the T26 will be searching for subs. It didn’t go anywhere as the Navy believed that the future replacement for Seawolf (SeaCeptor) and Phalanx would cope with the threats. “I’d much rather the escorts up their missile carrying capacity”. Include a modern laser dazzler and side mounts for a mix of martlet and star streak type missiles and we have a potent CIWS with options and range. That gives you a lot of flexibility/protection. Asmongold Reacts to "Why Blackrock Depths is the Greatest MMORPG Dungeon of all time" by Tips Out - … It’s getting there. So why the objection to paying for it then? How is it initiated, then maintained and for how long? Or RBS-15s for that matter. They also use the long range BAe/Thales S1850M radar, which is a mechanically rotating PESA system. Maybe design both deck penetrating and non penetrating types as the ammunition load outs of the Phalanx do not seem high enough for modern saturation attacks, and deck penetration might be best for larger escorts dealing with this, whilst the non penetrating best for OPVs and RFAs. After all the further from a ship a missile can be destroyed the better. Not countries that do. Burkes do have 96 cells, but only the very newest run SM-6 and the AN/SPY-6 radars that make use of them. They’ve got enough money to look after their own people. Well that would be a massive improvement over the current state of affairs, but the base level imo should also contain Scutter to complement SSTD and microwave weapons to complement an EW suite and the guns. One of the problems often overlooked in these comparisons (other than guided munition options), is the ability of some of these guns to keep it up. The upgrade was to counter stealth targets and targets on or just above tge water (i.e. If they are sold off great, if they are scrapped, then parts of the ship’s weapons system should be reutilised and fitted to the Bays and Albions. And the sooner we get Meteor fitted to the F-35Bs the better. The 2018 DOT&E report didn’t even mention the F-35’s sortie rate and the most recent 2019 report didn’t give a figure, but did say that problems with ALIS were resulting in poor sortie rates and aircraft availability. Why it takes years to fit a missile that already exists to the F-35 boggles my mind. But perhaps more importantly is that it can fire the Mk295 Mod 1 Ordnance for Rapid Kill of Attack Craft (ORKA) round as well as a 3P round. I’m not convinced that the Phalanx is that obsolete. Large missiles leave a lot of debris behind them. That’s an insane approach to take. I would lose one of the 40mm and put them on the RB2s, move the 57mm to the secondary gun space and reuse a 4.5″ from the outgoing T23s as the primary gun. I don’t really see the point of Aster 15 though. Everything I’ve read, from multiple sources, have stated that the primary purpose of the T42 was to provide wide area air defence against Soviet bomber fleets. If the target is inbound, able to manoeuvre to hit the ship, and moving at a pre-determined minimum speed then it will be engaged. The French Charles de Gaulle carrier has Aster 15s and Mistrals. I would expect the loadout to change a bit, but for the sake of argument we could say that it’d carry 10 TLAM and 4 ASROC? And that would be a one-off cost anyway to end up with a far better armed and defended navy. And to take out such missiles you need SM-3, SM-6, Aster 30 Block 1NT (and Block 2 BMD when it’s ready), not CIWS or other gun-based defences, which are to take out less fast sea-skimming missiles, along with Aster 15, Aster 30 and CAMM (and potentially HVPs too). The existing 40mm mounts are large and “comparatively” clumsy. “because if the public at large don’t like it they lose their jobs”. The fastest anti-ship missiles are ballistic because the air’s thinner at high altitude so friction isn’t such an issue. While the Falklands war was still in progress, two Phalanx systems intended for the USN were taken off the production line and rushed to Tyneside where HMS illustrious was hastily being completed. You are confusing T45 the hull with SeaViper the AAW system. That said, the Type 45s don’t currently carry Aster 30 Block 1NT to take out ballistic anti-ship missiles despite being dedicated AAW ships, which doesn’t make much sense. Local control from the mount is also possible. The way to take out ballistic anti-ship missiles is with SM-3, SM-6, Aster 30 Block 1NT or Block 2 BMD. This way if one or the other gets damaged by incoming shrapnel it can still be operational. Especially when the addition of that third layer would hinder the primary mission of the vessel (launching and recovering aircraft). This green mail armor of item level 33 goes in the "Hands" slot. I’d say deck penetration is an advantage, not a problem, since it gives you access to much more ammo, which would be vital in the event of a saturation attack. (It would probably be cheaper to fit microwave weapons rather than an EW suite to ships that don’t currently have an EW suite.) They are covenant exclusive. Personally, I think that all RN escorts should carry ASMs, and to be fair to them they normally fit Harpoon launchers when they go into hotter zones like the Starit of Hormuz. It’s all very well fitting the Harpoon launchers to the T45s and T23s as they’re needed, but having something newer and enough to be fitted to the T31 seems like a good call to me. For a limited time, get this transmog set with your purchase of a 6-month World of Warcraft subscription. Now that the ships are operating close to the shoreline they will be in ATGM range, never mind land based anti-ship missile range. I’m also not sure if it’s compatible with Sylver yet, but that would likely be a cheaper road with regards to sharing the cost with the other Euro operators. The cancelled CVA carriers were going to be fitted with Sea Dart (and they’d have had cats & traps as well). It is looted from Skinner Jamani. In some ways its been to their recent detriment as they tried to compete with the likes of Mercedes when it came to developing their own KERS system with a fraction of the budget. Plus both Russia and China have far more ships than we do. And I’d like to see Meteor fitted to our F-35Bs much sooner than 2024 (to take out the archer rather than the arrows). LRASM would be the best anti-ship missile, but it’s ridiculously expensive. It’s more than just concern, it’s anger that properly defending our ships isn’t considered a high priority. World of Warcraft on Reddit! Retro-fitting Sea Wolf to RN warships was neither affordable or practical whereas the Phalanx offered an immediate remedy. To me, that would imply that our protections are in fact rather good as they currently stand. If you don’t mind, it’d be interesting to know in what capacity you served- but I appreciate that this is a rather public forum. Either way, we’ve got torpedo defences on our warships. And also ridiculously short-sighted and utterly negligent. Other layers of defence against anti-ship missiles could be provided by microwave weapons, Dragonfire, laser dazzlers, a ship-based version of DIRCM, an EW suite, decoys and main guns firing HVPs. – Main gun: It would be a very lucky hit if one could take out an anti-ship missile. I thought it was purely to take out fast attack craft? Ideally the drones, Merlins and Type 26s would all be networked to make them more effective as a unit than operating independently of each other, “and then get Leonardo/AW to develop their civilian tilt-rotor into a military V-22 equivalent that could then be built in Yeovil to replace them.”. Well it depends on how many TLAMs and VL-ASROCs the Arleigh Burkes carry vs anti-air missiles, but again Type 45s would greatly benefit from having a lot of Mk41 cells. It is looted from Stalvan Mistmantle. What about fitting SSTD and an EW suite? Woah, hang on. World of Warcraft Boss Fights: Phalanx in Blackrock Dephts. It’s out of ammo too fast and has insufficient range. A Type 45 fires all its 48 Asters and best case scenario it shoots down 48 anti-ship missiles (of course there could always be leakers). Allocating part of that budget for an integrated missile-based self-defence capability would only mean money taken away from other areas of the ship, probably the aircraft carrying capacity which is the carriers main focus. “I’m just referring to the differences between a high-threat an low-threat environments. It doesn’t say what the Type 26s will have. Plus these guns could also provide protection against UAVs, helicopters, USVs and fast attack craft (the Millennium Gun and OM can fire rounds other than AHEAD/DART/PFF depending on the job they’re required for). Maybe time to look at phasing Phalanx out in favour of the 40mm Mk 4 going on the Type 31, both to reduce the range of systems/calibers in service and to provide the range and punch the former clearly lacks. The tracking radar compares both the target and the stream of outgoing rounds, adjusting the gun so the projectile stream converges on the target. “As far as VLS go, I’ve had good conversations on here before and there are good arguments both ways. Anything would be an improvement over Harpoon, although LRASM is stealthy, whereas RBS-15 isn’t. Do you have a source for that? Leonardo also have the Kronos dual band system. Ship-based IRST and LIDAR would also be well worth looking into imo to detect stealth aircraft and stealthy anti-ship missiles. The T45 (in deployment fitout with the Harpoon launchers) is as capable as any other NATO AAD destroyer when it comes to surface warfare; Burkes, Horizons, FREDAs all carry 8No. The reality is that this system is a last hope point goalie and nothing more in the modern combat environment. ☹️. In wartime? Well assuming both can be fired from Mk41 cells that is. I accept that 3P peppering will have the same effect. This mount has a chance to drop from the rare Tahonta, who spawns in Central Maldraxxus next to the Theater of Pain. The more layers of defence the better imo, especially considering how deadly subs are. They’re all hard to shoot down, so even one missile might be enough, especially if it’s stealthy, can accelerate in its terminal phase and/or can manoeuvre in its terminal phase. We’re not a poor country and not properly defending our ships is a disgrace. These drones would need to be relatively cheap and extremely plentiful. I assume the RN went with Bofors Mk 4 as it is a simpler system (The Fast forty has 2x 72 round magazines with instant switching for say swapping from 3P to APFSDS 😊. If you can’t reach out and touch the sub from a ship before the sub shoots at you, you’re better attacking it from the sky with helicopters like we do currently. Sort, search and filter NPCs in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. The Oerlinkon sounds like a nice mix between capability and cost, if the Phalanx is out of date (inclined to agree). The C-802 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-83 has a range of 120km (approx 65 nautical miles), is subsonic (Mach 0.9) and uses active radar homing. “And so long as they can work out how not to interrupt flight ops, 1 or 2 of the 8-cell Sylver launchers on the carriers would give the capacity for 32 or 64 missiles, which would be plenty should any missiles ever make it through all the escorts.”. That’s a lot of Arleigh Burkes and a lot of missiles. The self-defence capabilities of the aircraft carriers draw a great deal of comment but Phalanx is just one of their many layers of protection. Once you’ve filled some of those VLS with TLAM, some with ASROC, then you actually have a pretty comparable anti-air/anti-missile loadout with a T45. If not then fit a towed array sonar regardless of the cost; the carriers are too valuable to lose). “partly because the RN prefers to separate out their capabilities and I defer to their experience on the operational side”. Because in low-threat environments, the missiles on the escorts as well as the 3 phalanx systems to protect the task-force from UAVs and subsonic anti-ship missiles is just fine. Phalanx is likely to be lethal against small, unprotected boats, USVs and UAVs, only a large ‘swarm’ attack could overwhelm it. Adding Mk41 VLS would mean that Type 45s could also carry TLAMs, anti-ship missiles, anti-sub missiles and quad-packed CAMMs. Therefore, there will be air support with T26s and T45s making up the group. The latest RIM-116 also uses a passive RF sensor, so it can home in on active RF missiles. Harriers with IRST, a good EW suite and Meteor/IRIS-T air-to-air missiles would provide a pretty good level of defence. They’d be easily shot down I’d have thought by a Russian or Chinese warship. The Type 45 is an incredible AAW vessel but what of a saturation scenario? “I really don’t see how ammunition is a big concern since the CIWS is a tertiary system anyway (so the number of targets would be small)”. (Photo: USAASC). Well I think using them for AEW and refuelling is a no-brainer. “It’s also worth noting that CAMM isn’t currently integrated either”, “so we’d either have to switch to the ESSM (not going to happen, as we produce CAMM here in the UK), or pay for integration.”. The whole point of the R2D2 is its extremely fine / subtle movements and ludicrous amount of tungsten it spews out. I agree deck-penetration (and quick auto-reloading) would be ideal in the event of a saturation attack. On top of 2 T45 flanking it there will be additional ships from the US, France, Netherlands, Denmark and Germany all with capable AAW systems protecting it. I’d scrap the Type 31s and use the money saved to properly defend the carriers. A Sub will definately take shots at killing 1 of 6 Air Defence ships because in the Type 45s case it has little ASW capabilities, it also cost an absolute fortune and because in Combined Arms ops it will make an enemy air forces job a lot easier. My original post was built less around any particular class and more around a generic western escort vessel, you can substitute T45, T26, FFG(X) into the same sentence just as easily as T31, I just got lazy and named a radar instead of typing out “air search radar” in full like I really should have…. The Type 31 looks like they will have 40mm Mark 4 Bofors and 57mm Mark 3 Bofors which with 3P will be very nice. Considering that a Type 45 can only carry 48 Asters and considering that 9 Su-35s carrying 6 anti-ship missiles each could overwhelm a Type 45 in terms of the number of missiles carried, I’d say increasing Aster 30’s range should be treated as a matter of extreme urgency. Plasma can be tuned to a particular frequency, so it can either block out that portion of RF or let it through. You’re right, we don’t have a lot of escorts, but the actual CBG we’d be fielding is the same size (4 escorts) and broadly comparable in effectiveness across the domains of AAD, ASW, and ASuW as the average USN CBG. CAMMs can be quad-packed in Mk41 cells and you can also fire anti-ship missiles, anti-sub missiles and LRASM from Mk41. Do you have sources confirming this? The best way to take out fixed SAM sites, fixed radar sites, mobile SAM launchers and mobile anti-ship missile launchers imo is by using suicide drones. I don’t like it, it’s just the way defence spending works when there’s not enough money to go around. The guest poster at UKDJ probably meant that it’s technically possible, but it would seem that it hasn’t been done, for CAMM, CAMM-ER, or LRASM yet. 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